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Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
1) You don't even know what "flaming" is, so you shouldn't even be acting like you know what's a big part of games ande what isn't.

"You're an idiot"
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"Either you don't understand english, or you're an idiot."
"Only the shallowest of players care about graphics."
It's possible that he meant idiot/dumb/illiterate/idiot/shallow in a "nice" way, but I consider them to be flames.

Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
2) Graphics may be a key feature in most games, but you don't need graphics to have a good game. And graphics don't make a good game, either.

Obviously, I said that already. I said that if a game has bad graphics they should aim to improve them, not just say "hey the gameplay is good so we don't need graphics".
Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
3) You're just talking in circles "omg dis grafiks sux dix nd duh programmuhr shud lyk maek dem better or deyr gaym wil suckxk XDXDXD"

No, I said that if the game has a weak point they should improve it.
Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
4) Simplification: Good games don't need good or realistic graphics, same as how a millionaire with a ripped body doesn't need a 12 inch dick.

They don't need good graphics, but there is no reason they should settle for bad graphics just because of some hipster belief that "good game no need graphics bro".


Originally Posted by sid View Post
Kumi, you think graphics matter for this type of game, I personally agree with your ideology, but I won't bother reading on your posts. Your opinion is stated, carry on before this becomes any more of a cockslapping competition than it already is, if you don't play the game then it does not relate to you.

Graphics matter for any kind of game. My ideology is that if there is a weak point it should be improved. It is not graphics specific.

Why is it that every time there is a discussion here people automatically act like it is a contest? Is there something I'm missing? Do I gain rep points for 'winning' a discussion? I don't understand why so many people act like it is a contest.
hate to break your love bubbles, but the guy has a point. Salem looks bad. And not artistic bad, the graphics seem to be able to run on a playstation 1. Being a good game is never an excuse to be a shitty game.
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I agree with you sid, but he's basically saying the graphics are a very very important priority, which they aren't.

Once this game has all of the vital game mechanics, then they can work on graphics. (And the graphics don't even need much improving tbh)
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Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
I agree with you sid, but he's basically saying the graphics are a very very important priority, which they aren't.

Seeing as how graphics enable you to interpret the game, I'd say it's a pretty big deal. Denying that would basically be saying a game doesn't need to be observed to be played, which could be plausible if you were playing a non-visually interpreted game, but you aren't, and the vast majority of video games are visually interpreted (hence, video game). On a literal level, one could say that all video games are visually interpreted.

Now, you more likely meant that graphics, while necessary, do not have to be a huge priority. Well, you're wrong. Graphics play a huge part in the appeal, interpretation, and play of a game; for instance, would Modern Warfare give you the same feeling of being in the character's shoes if it had Team Fortress 2 graphics? Of course not, because certain uses of graphics can, do, and must help define a game, besides the necessity for visual interpretation.

Moving to a more local stance, Salem itself may not be a graphics intensive game and certainly not a "realistic" graphics game, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be an upgrade to improve the visual appeal with better graphics. The graphics can be improved and still keep the feel of the gameplay in mind, so why not improve? Why fight improvement?
Last edited by Thorn; Apr 28, 2012 at 03:51 PM.
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Yes, of course the best thing would be for a game to have both good graphics and good gameplay, but if you can only have one, which is more important?
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Well this thread is going downhill in rocket speed.


Stupid new dumb mmo made me forget about this.
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Originally Posted by JellyNinja View Post
Will this thread is going downhill in rocket speed.


Stupid new dumb mmo made me forget about this.

Eh, just play haven and hearth, salem can wait imo.
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Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
he's basically saying the graphics are a very very important priority, which they aren't.

Originally Posted by Kumi
I said that if a game has bad graphics they should aim to improve them, not just say "hey the gameplay is good so we don't need graphics".

Originally Posted by Kumi
I said that if the game has a weak point they should improve it.

Originally Posted by Kumi
They don't need good graphics, but there is no reason they should settle for bad graphics just because of some hipster belief that "good game no need graphics bro".

Originally Posted by Kumi
I like how you magically transform "bad graphics annoy me" in to "OMG I ONLY CARE ABOUT GRAPHICS". That's some serious reducto ad absurdum!

Originally Posted by Kumi
Why can't a game have good graphics and good gameplay? OH WAIT IT CAN. So stop needlessly defending a game that has shit graphics just because "OMG GOOD GAMES NEED TO LOOK LIKE FESTERING SHIT".

Originally Posted by Kumi
This game annoys me because the graphics aren't retro or even stylized, they are just BAD.

That's a serious perversion of argument you are using there.

Since I suspect you tl;dr over every one of my posts, let me keep this short.

I said the graphics should be improved. There is no way that can be interpreted as "graphics are a very very important priority".

Capiche?


Originally Posted by Zayex View Post
Yes, of course the best thing would be for a game to have both good graphics and good gameplay, but if you can only have one, which is more important?

Since when are gameplay and graphics mutually exclusive? Someone needs to tell Team Ico and Ubisoft!
gameplay and graphics are mutually exclusive when you only have enough in your budget for either or.
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