I play him as a babysitter until I feel comfortable enough to go roaming.
Usually I hang back and snipe-stun and / or block so my carries can get kills / escape certain death.

When I get blink and manaboots the fun starts and I will show up to all teamfights to wreck havoc.
My warding starts mostly when I get blink, I usually try to rush it since I'm so much more effective with it.

ES good carry now right guys? ES mid carry ;^)



Also, been running skywrath as support, and man he is just amazing. He really is one of the best heroes with no items/no levels.

What's the new meta from TI4?

I don't think ES will ever be a viable carry.
Crits are fun but not comparable with real carries.
A semi at most, but only if the team-composition and enemy lineup allows it.

I just play him because it's so damn rewarding and fun :]
And he's a cool personality, really dig him.
Been meaning to design a set for him, might go through with that this vacation.

Do you think Vanguard is ever viable on shaker?
A sustainable tanky shaker is something I've been wanting to try out because it will trick people.
Would be so fun to be an unstoppable tanky BKB stun-machine.
It's just a theory, do any of you have experience with a tanky ES?

situational pick ofcourse.
tri v tri and pro games hes fine.
but in terms of dual lanes and ensuring the carry can farm without taking harass, i find him limited, dont like playing him, and especially dont like my team picking him, forever blocking with fissure and saving them.
he limits the picks for the lane.
a bad es is the worst kind of support, do not trust.


perma stun 400% +crit + battfury + team dunk.
i scared.

This is true, a bad ES can really ruin a game.
Inba-report because you had one bad Fissure #publife #uninstalldoto #volvoplsfix

Been playing Veno some more lately, running away with a path of wards while you do your poison is fun.
He's scary.

I just don't think ES can farm fast enough early-game.
That, or I don't know how to.

Can't remember which team (Maybe LGD?) played Earthshaker offlane and he picked up a heart and bkb. It worked quite well, and they ended up winning that game.
Other than that, i've never seen a tanky Earthshaker.

Also, Liquid did ES mid and played him as a carry. I don't remember their opponent, but it worked really well.

For ES if you want to play him as a carry...

Play him like a semi-carry ganker, don't farm. Get shadow blade + bottle (classic build) and fish for dd runes.

IMO he's a shitty carry but obviously if you get super fucking fed you can dominate. Even CM can wreck your shit with bkb, deso, daedelus, mj and a heart.

agreed with running him as a gangker.
not a fan of shadowblade on him
tbh, im not even a fan of bf and crits, if it gets to that point, the game should have been over.
go straight blink into aghs and rely on the big dunks.

played with a mid one the other day. basically just used us as bait and just waited for a good dunk.
granted, he just straight outskilled the invoker mid.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/750777526

Yeah I've tried the invi crit shaker a few times.
Not too positive about it mostly because almost every other carry is more effective.
Everytime I do play him I end up doing fairly well but unable to carry my team,
I'll end up with a nice score whilst my team just dies. Not really carrying, thus.
That, or I'm unlucky with matchups.

I just don't think it's viable to rely on crits and luck that much.
I think I'll rather get two Battlefuries next time, instead of Battlefury + Daedelus.
The regen and extra damage is nice on Shaker as well.
But this is all just me speculating, I haven't played in a two weeks.

I don't think he even needs Aghs.
I'd rather get BoT's at that point, with something situational.
But again, that's mostly team dependant, pubs I play are still fairly low level, they do not counter push and sometimes straight neglect pushes.
That's why I prefer BoT's atm.

If you don't die as a shaker You are fine. Just keep trying to gank and be aggressive and you will find money for a blink pretty early