Originally Posted by
KenGee
I'm not trolling. Hecarim can use his q as much as he wants until he runs out of mana and shaco can put a whole bunch of jack in the boxes before the minions spawn and he can get the red or blue buff in 1-5min into the game after that he can get stronger and less cooldown reduction to put more jack in the boxes.
Hecarim's q is worse than Skarner's q for only slightly less mana cost. Anything hecarim can do, Skarner can do better. Skarner also clears the jungle faster, and has more uses in mid to late game.
You know what can stop shaco from doing that? Anybody walking up while he starts setting them up, early invades, early wards, or anything at all that's the current counter-jungle meta. And even if they don't do that, he still becomes useless by the end of the game against any sort of competent team.
Also, any competent jungler can get the red and blue buff 4 minutes in. That's even giving some credit, considering that 4 minutes is only average clear time. Shaco only has the benefit of being able to clear two camps in the shortest time because of his boxes, but that's only a minute or 2 advantage unless he gets a kill shortly afterwards. He's the epitome of a snowball champion.