Originally Posted by
Aracoon
While it may be of religious origins, homophobia is often a product of discrimination and hatred. I think thank we as a society we are moving past discrimination as a whole, and religious people are learning to be more lenient with others. This is unquestionably a step in the right direction. It is a problem still though.
Sorry but why is this unquestionably a step in the right direction?
We are talking about thought policing and legislating the likes and dislikes of people, whom I think should have the right to free thought.
Originally Posted by
Aracoon
Yet another example of immortalpig taking discussion threads hostage and then getting away with it because he plays by the rules. Immortal when you do this you often block the opportunity of others, and I believe you were very losely displaying discrimination in page 1. Feel free to throw me a PM to avoid derailing.
The point of discussion threads is to discuss. People are free to reply to me or anyone else, I certainly don't hold threads hostage.......
Originally Posted by
Aracoon
Immortalpig one AREA is the Middle East. They have thrown homosexuals off of buildings. I've heard the stories of a man that had to flee the Middle East because he was afraid of his peers finding out and literally murdering him. I was told that the hatred towards homosexuals is extremely public, and that citizens crowd to watch these people die. Nobody does anything about it. People encourage it.
It may not be law that citizens cannot get married, but a majority gay people do not risk getting married in the Middle East out of fear. This does literally prevent them, the danger is blatantly real.
I'm aware of this, but what I'm not aware of is what point you are trying to make by bringing it up Aracoon.
Are you simply trying to build sympathy for homosexuals? I'm not saying it's a bad idea, emotional arguments are usually more effective than logical ones, but if you merely state "Arab gays are having a hard time" it doesn't really do much to evoke a response.
Originally Posted by
Aracoon
Food for thought here, giving gay people the right to marry does not hurt others. It obviously triggers derogatory feelings, but it doesn't burn skin. It does not make life unbearable. It does not prevent you from happiness. It may make you pissed off, but it shouldn't. At the end of the day it hurts gay people from an emotional standpoint, it can make life kind of unbearable and it does prevent gay people from being happy. Therefore it is unjust, and society is now naturally reacting toward unjustness. This is our world naturally moving forward toward a greater civilization, and it is a good thing. Learning to live with difference is a good thing.
Well, I disagree on practically everything you just said.
Firstly gay marriage doesn't exist in a vacuum, everyone in the entire society is affected.
Secondly what we are talking about is the feelings of gays vs the feelings of Christians (to boil it down substantially), and you are erring on the side of the minority (I don't have to tell you why that is undemocratic do I?).
Thirdly, just because something does "no harm" doesn't mean it does any good, and doesn't mean it should be allowed. I think this is a VERY POOR argument, things should be done because they have a good positive impact, not simply because you "It may make you pissed off, but it shouldn't" (aka thought policing).
If you want to advance civilization and the world, then I don't think legalizing gay marriage would even make it on the top 1000 things to do, heck, it would be closer to the bottom of the list than the top. How exactly does it benefit civilization or the world at all? It's pointless on every level - apart from the "feelings of homosexuals who want to get married and liberals who want to showcase just how tolerant they are" level.