Originally Posted by
SkulFuk
I merely pointed out what Sony have said they're doing & why they're charging. Hardly a discussion, more a one sided fact-slap. ;)
Woah, why are you being so aggressive? It's totally reasonable for ask for citations or facts when something so strange comes up.
I'm not very fond of your "how dare you ask for facts, my opinion is absolute!" attitude...
Originally Posted by
SkulFuk
Fine, I'll bite since that's obviously what you're aiming for.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Have you actually read anything that the Sony reps have said about the PSN changes & why they're charging? That quote was from the VG247 interview when asked:
Why do you think the time is right to start charging for online gaming on PSN?
Would you like me to get another from another interview? Maybe that'll get your panties unknotted. Enjoy.
Eurogamer: One slight negative was that you now have to subscribe to PlayStation Plus in order to play multiplayer. Can you explain to our readers why you've made this decision?
Jim Ryan: Obviously the last time round, multiplayer gaming on PS3 was free. Certainly at the beginning of that cycle the online experience on PS3 was somewhat rudimentary, and it's evolved, it's got better with various firmware upgrades. But we definitely - and some of these features have been highlighted yesterday, some of them February 20th - we're going to make a step-change in our online experience, and there's going to be a whole new range of stuff that people can do and enjoy.
And yeah that's great and yeah we're very happy about that, but the flipside of that of course is that these things come with a cost, and we do have to recover that cost, so the decision has been taken to place online multiplayer behind the PlayStation Plus firewall.
One of the points I do want to make is that unlike some of our competitors where you pay your money and all you get is online multiplayer, PlayStation Plus, in our opinion, represents and extremely attractive package of services and content. We've had the instant game collection now running for just over a year - it's a fantastic deal. And that will continue into PS4.
So yes, we are charging for online multiplayer, but I'm quite happy to contend to your readers that for that money - that €5 a month or whatever it is - not only are they getting the ability to play online multiplayer but they're getting games and they're getting additional services. I feel perfectly comfortable sitting here conveying that message.
Eurogamer: So your position is it's entirely justified because of the value that it offers?
Jim Ryan: Yeah. And the other point to make is that we have the £349 price point on the hardware.
I could pull numerous other interviews about it, and all have the same response.
Because people with more than 2 cells in their head would know what he was talking about without needing a 20 page essay prefacing it.
No, it's what Sony have said. Once again, research it. Hell it doesn't take much looking to find it.
I'm not going to bother responding to the rest, I have better things to do than toss food at trolls.
Good, you can support your claims if you try, that was all I was asking for.
I still think the idea that paying more for something automatically makes it better is ludicrous.
Originally Posted by
sid
are you two really discussing rather the PS4's money will go to improving itself or not? With sources?
Sony will probably make changes to their console. Sony needs money to make changes and do console stuff. Sony makes money from online services. So Sony's money will in part come from online services. They have also talked about how their smaller pricetag is due in part to their online service. Ergo, money from the online service will contribute to improving the console. How complicated can it be?
Like I said, Sony makes money from publishers and game sales. If you take a read of what SkulFuk posted you can see the situation isn't what you assume it to be. You already know that publishers host or organise their own servers, the cost of the PSN network for multiplayer is minimal and easily covered by charges from the publisher.
Essentially what Sony wants money for is these "additional services", stuff like the free games people can play. As with the previous PSN, multiplayer basically costs them nothing. But by packaging it with a other services they can charge for it and say "it's good value".
So there you go, it was important to discuss it because your assumption of how it works was actually a bit off!
