Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
How so? I'm not going to play the "yes, no" game.
Because she was put in jail for 5 days because of her religion.
Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
I need some sauce for this. As far as I can tell, SCOTUS has not ruled anything of the sort, but instead has only issued her a court order to do her job.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...4-556_3204.pdf
ctrl+f "first amendment"
Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
It's baseless speculation to think that banning everyone who walks into a store with their left foot first would hurt sales quite a bit? I want you to count how many times you enter any doorway with your left foot over the course of this next week. And don't purposely do your right foot, because I know you would do that sort of thing.
Lol are you really going to continue this baseless train of thought? I'd just like to remind you that you are SERIOUSLY arguing that businesses are not allowed to ban left-foot-firsters from their property.
This is pointless conjecture apparently only so you can claim an imaginary victory...
Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
I meant that they cannot pass a law that denies left foot firsters, but it would be a strange rule for businesses to implement.
If that was what you meant then you would have said that, instead of saying "You can't deny someone service for walking into the store with their left foot first". In the first place, businsses can't pass laws so that makes the argument even more incomprehensible.
Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
Nope, the US was never founded as a Christian nation. I noticed you didn't address my reasons why it is not, so if you would be so kind, rebut those statements.
USA has always been majority Christian, this majority extends from general population, to gov't employees, senate, cabinet, at every level USA is Christian.
"In God We Trust" - does this ring in bells? It's only the official motto of the USA, and part of the lyrics of the national anthem, and printed on the currency.
USA is secular in name only, but it is and always was a Christian nation.
Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
I feel like you quoted the wrong bit to respond to. In case you didn't, she was put in jail because she broke the law and because she imposed her beliefs on others. Pig, are you black? Because I might just start believing that blacks should be slaves again. And since apparently it's not against the law to own slaves because I believe that, you won't object if I remove you from your family and take all of your possessions. Unless it is against the law. In which case you need to address my point that you left out of your last argument.
Oh, did Christianity only just start disliking gays?
Oh wait no, the USA only just changed the definition of marriage.
How about you take a more /realistic/ metaphor and say that you are against slavery, and suddenly the gov't institutes slavery and tells you it's your job to register people as slaves. Of course, it's the law so you have no qualms with doing this because as previously established, law = morality.
Originally Posted by
hawkesnightmare
We are talking about same-sex marriage in the US. Not same-sex marriage in Spain or England. Taking a vacation and getting married in England is not an option for a few reasons, the most notable of which was that before same-sex marriage was legalized in the US, a marriage performed in another country that did not conform to the US definition of marriage was not considered valid, and the couple was not eligible for the benefits that come from being married.
lol who said anything about taking a vacation.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
Ok Im going to argue only with this point (its not the only bit I strongly disagree with but its uhhh one of the worst)
how can you think that same sex couples have always had the same marriage rights as other couples. Same sex marriage was only relatively recently legalised in the UK (and US as well I think)
and if you say "oh they can always go abroad to get married" then its still not the same marriage rights, are you seriously saying that being forced to leave the country in order to have a marriage is having the same marriage rights as being able to be married pretty much wherever you want? (Hawkinsnightmare's point on this was also valid)
What rights were they lacking then?
No one seems to be able to tell me that lol. "Marriage equality" with regard to sexuality has always existed. Tbh I've never even heard of anyone being asked their sexuality at the registrar. Tell me how many people were denied based on their sexuality, heck, if you can find even one I'd be impressed.
People have always had equal marriage rights regardless of sexuality, saying otherwise is ignorance or wilful perversion of the truth.
Originally Posted by
SmallBowl
Just on an off note, I can see the argument against same sex marriage; marriage is a christian ceremony, the point of which is to have children from the married couple, of course same sex couples cannot do this and therefore the nature of marriage is different to what was intended when marriage was conceptualized.
I also dont think adoption is included in this as I think the point is that the child is conceived by the married couple.
^^^this is all only if I have correctly understood what Im on about^^^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage
Originally Posted by
GIVEtake
I watched an incredible video where someone was asked about gay marriage.
They said:
"The argument for gay marriage not being natural is fucking dumb.
I mean, when do you see a bunch of sparrows getting their sparrow friends and having a ceremony about love?"
Pretty much, people deserve to love eachother, and if marriage sanctifies that, then they deserve to be married.
Sure how about I marry Daidouji Tomoyo, who are you to stand in the way of my love?!
lol why don't we just open up the definition of marriage to "you can marry anything you want", share the love!!!
This is a great and revolutionary idea my friend, why do words even have meanings? I got a good one, I like hamburgers but I like pizza better, guys let's just make hamburger = pizza, problem solved then I can eat pizza more often. Do you ever see sparrows gather around and put grilled minced meat in a bun? EXACTLY.
Another thing that really ticks me off is when you go to the shop and want to buy, say, a ipad, and all you have is a handful of sand. Wouldn't it be great if that sand was dollars? Well let's just do that then, we can all be rich just go to the beach and scoop up a bucket full of sand - sparrows don't even have a concept of ownership so who gives a shit if I buy an ipad with sand, I think I deserve it.
Last edited by ImmortalPig; Sep 20, 2015 at 08:58 AM.