Originally Posted by
cocacobra
I don't agree, what stance do you use?
I like using Noct as jungle or Shaco, there both great for ganks.
Whoever said Noct needs his ult to gank is so wrong, all you need is a position behind them use duskbringer then fear then shield right after and you should be well on your way. Also exhaust is a nice help.
Udyr clears the jungle ridiculously quickly. Saying he's a bad jungler would just be a lie. He reaches level 4 at around the 3:30 mark which is 30 seconds quicker than almost everyone else. The new jungle is basically about who has the best clearing time with aoe, which is always what Udyr had the most control in, even before the jungle changes. Not only that, but his ganks are pretty strong. He has a stunlock, all you need to have for a successful gank with Udyr is any type of cc from the lane at the very least, even a slow so you can get in for the stunlocks. He's also one of the best counterjunglers if not
the best because of his ridiculous clearing time. Even if the enemy jungler catches him, it's going to be hard to fight Udyr with the stunlock and turtle shield. Get a Wit's End and Trinity Force, and you won't be losing any fights on your own.
On the topic of Nocturne, he was one of the best junglers until the jungle got rearranged. The mastery changes especially. He's hurting from the new jungle though since he's lacking in aoe that other junglers have.