On Veigar, have a Deathfire's Grasp, Rabadon's Deathcap, and Voidstaff as your main 3 items along with boots.

By the way, Udyr > everybody else in jungle.

Jungle TF? Seems odd, I guess ganks could work with his yellow card and his ult. But using his ult with such a high CD would be stupid just to gank.

Explain if you could.

flash stun works too and he got storng aoe farm. its quite slow but so gud at controling.
and its quite hard to do and fun . so what ould you like more?

so a day where i have played 10 games with malphite i have gone 9-1 as in win-loss

he is fkin amazing to play tanky

best game i had was 9-5-27

Yep, totally motivating song!

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Nah, good for me. Not like I jungle anyways ;p.

ED GET ON RIGHT NOW

Udyr clears the jungle ridiculously quickly. Saying he's a bad jungler would just be a lie. He reaches level 4 at around the 3:30 mark which is 30 seconds quicker than almost everyone else. The new jungle is basically about who has the best clearing time with aoe, which is always what Udyr had the most control in, even before the jungle changes. Not only that, but his ganks are pretty strong. He has a stunlock, all you need to have for a successful gank with Udyr is any type of cc from the lane at the very least, even a slow so you can get in for the stunlocks. He's also one of the best counterjunglers if not the best because of his ridiculous clearing time. Even if the enemy jungler catches him, it's going to be hard to fight Udyr with the stunlock and turtle shield. Get a Wit's End and Trinity Force, and you won't be losing any fights on your own.

On the topic of Nocturne, he was one of the best junglers until the jungle got rearranged. The mastery changes especially. He's hurting from the new jungle though since he's lacking in aoe that other junglers have.

god, just got 2 teams without brains... 2 insta deafeats and all i wanted was 100 ip for my last move speed quint. :C