The idea of a sub-clan is to help the community. Evil recently had an idea to have one but we also considered the possible abuse that could come of them according to staff.
The best way to circumvent this, would be to give official clans the power to designate in-game who's a full member in the clan from a recent clan recruit?
because this is difficult to stress enough, the community is very diverse in people's character. You have people that are genuinely new, people that are respectable, people that don't care and scam, and people that want to improve the community. Un-official clans struggle through this same difficulty as well, which is why they die off so soon and so often. they have to sift through the same quality of people but without the tools to prepare for the damage of recruiting a harmful member.
Now, the idea behind sub-clans is to help newcomers around because many of them don't even know about the forum. Also sub-clans aim to help respectable people gain recognition and find a place they like within the clan system, official clans would probably like the idea of helping un-official clans. but then by helping the un-official clan unknowingly they've already become a sub-clan.
I don't know if toribash next will handle this issue differently but to re-enforce the fact that the learning curve or knowledge given at the start of toribash is so little. Here was a discussion on "new players" that attempts to pinpoint the issue.
http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=604138
if we can help filter this difficulty in finding members for our own clan as well as other's due to a clan's own recognition already, and help un-official clans grow and improve, while also helping improve newcomers experience as well, then we have a solution.
If everyone could come to an agreement and compromise about what the purpose of a sub-clan IS. then i believe these systems could help new clans thrive, and new members learn more than they know now.
Just the other day a black belt was asking me "how to trade?" i helped them but why shouldn't we help them in whatever else we know by inviting them to a sub-clan and showing them anything they're unsure of? I know that's help squad's role but we're making it more involved and focused about in-game and forum knowledge kind-of like an encyclopedia. "if everyone has the knowledge it's no longer a problem" idea
a sub-clan can be easily found by the newcomer and they can be guided on game aspects that the help squad team normally isn't focused in. we can guide them by showing them where tutorials are, what the forum is, who you can ask for more help, and simpler tasks.
but it is pretty common for staff to receive redundant questions or ban people that don't understand. so why can't we help the community in just this?
if newcomers want to join another clan they are free to do that.
if newcomers want to stay in the sub-clan they are free to do that.
if newcomers want to join the official clan itself that formed the sub-clan they are free to do so.
so what is the problem? if we limit main clan and sub-clan interactions and limit it to teaching and helping can't the whole debate be dismantled?
Last edited by Polybius; Nov 18, 2017 at 06:04 PM.