Originally Posted by
Devil
On your top 3 lists, thats where the comment was going to, not to the second post you created, I even quoted it. Vayne destroys tank with her w passive and pretty much has a escape q and an e that can stun plus push people away. Her ult which gives us insane damage plus movement speed can help her chase down or use invisibility in a fight to get away, when varus gets caught, he gets caught. Now I think vayne is the best adc because of the damage she outputs and the escapes she has.
Vayne gets shit on so hard in lane by pretty much everyone though, you have to really screw up for her to get ahead. Of course, her kit does allow for you to make plays in the mid-late game making her one of the best duelling champions, but her range is abysmal so she has to be right in the thick of things when it comes to teamfights. While that might not be a problem if you're ahead, you have NO presence whatsoever if you aren't.
Compare that to twitch, varus and MF. They will always be useful even if they are 2 or 3 levels and a few items behind, because they can offer a lot of aoe damage and/or cc. When ahead, I think tristana functions better than vayne as a hypercarry in teamfights. The resetting jump, the aoe knockback, the +90% attack speed steroid and the longest auto attack range in the game make her so much safer, and makes the job of peeling for her MUCH easier.
Varus does not have any built in escapes, you have to position differently, and position yourself better than you would with someone like ezreal. However it is far from impossible to kite with him, you don't just die if someone jumps on you. You orbwalk away like you do with any other carry, throw down your hail of arrows to slow your chaser by 45% and detonate the percentage hp blighted quiver stacks. If that didn't do the trick you can use your botrk active, or even lock the guy down with your ult for 2 seconds if you're still struggling to escape.
His passive is massively underrated too, it is part of what allows you to harass so effectively in lane. Kill creep, go for a trade with your attack speed advantage, detonate blighted quiver stacks from a safe distance. In teamfights, one assist or kill can completely win you the rest of the fight, +40% attack speed is not to be sniffed at. The same goes for fights in lane, you just clear up so well.
TL
R: Vayne is a more situational champion, and a bit weak early. Champions like MF and varus are always strong.
Originally Posted by
Echoforce
as far as that list goes i'd replace MF with Draven but yeah
I can't give an accurate opinion of how strong he is because I don't play him, and I don't often encounter him. I guess the NA scene loves him, but to be honest I only really see him as a lane bully. If he relies on catching his spinning axes to be effective in teamfights then wouldn't a dive just screw his rhythm over?
Last edited by Dr_Strangelove; May 22, 2013 at 09:02 AM.